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Poster: DeadATL Date: Nov 4, 2008 4:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Stop the politics...

Tomorrow we will elect the next President of the United States. The result will have great consequences for the nation.
This election offers a choice between two men with dramatically different visions of the future. We have strong feelings about this choice. But we feel even more strongly that all Americans, regardless of political preference, have a stake in the outcome and should vote in this critical election.
This is likely to be a close election. Your vote matters. Please use it and make a difference.
Dead.net

I got this note from Dead.net yesterday. It irritates me to no end. First, I listen to the Dead because of the great music. I'm sickened by the increasing political tone of the (official) Dead community. Whether it's this tripe or the Obama concerts, it takes away from my enjoyment of the music. Second, I suppose I should be thankful they aren't directly telling me to vote for Obama, but the message is still clear. Do they really want people to vote irrespective of political affliation OR do they desperately want Obama in the White House? Finally, I'm not convinced that voting is the highest civic virtue. IMO, the two major candidates are so bad, withholding your vote is probably the best course of action.

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Poster: kochman Date: Nov 4, 2008 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

I completely agree... when the remaining members of the Dead started moving into politics they alienated many of their fans.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 4, 2008 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

oh well. If they believe that strongly in something then good for them

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Poster: Carp JC Date: Nov 4, 2008 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Wow ! I don't know where to start.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2008 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Just one thought. Like many, I too am completely pissed off, since about 72, with candidate choices, local or national, each and every time.

However, not voting, a right I often exercised with great vigor and determination, too often gets assigned to the apathy couch potato constituency, a group I generally shun.

So, rather than not voting, if you are so inclined, I would recommend voting third party, voting minority/woman, voting non incumbent, voting write-in, etc.

A. E. Newmann is always a good choice.

And be prepared for the 2000 fans to let you have it for "we found out the lesser evil would have been a lot better than we thought" since you really should feel a little guilty about it.

Anyway, just a thought.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

This is not an attempt at a flame war, but why would anyone vote based on race or gender?

I know things were not fair for certain people in the past but two wrongs don't make a right and voting based on race and gender is racist and sexist, don't ya think? If not, I can't wait to be a minority, it sounds like fun.

I am trying to stay out of the political rants and every time I try to reason with someone with an opposing opinion and even try to agree on common ground, they blast me with completely one sided tirades again and again. So I learned not to feed into it.

The only thing that concerns me about this election is a statistic I found the other day:

By a wide 26-point margin McCain outperforms Obama as having the right experience to be president. This fails to help McCain as less than one in five voters says this is their top priority.

Then what the hell is the point? That is all I have to say, vote for whomever you like, it's your right. Just do it for the right reason- the benefit of the united states of america and it's people.

I am pretty sure, unless I am mistaken that I did not start the first political thread, the ones that did stopped posting long ago, maybe they revel in watching the carnage and nastiness unfold, who knows?

All I heard was constant conspiracy theories and accusations of lies and hatred from "my side" (uhhh, they ain't my people- I'm a lesser of two evils libertarian dude) but people that call bush and cheney nazi's, compare mcain to wallace (a racist democrat) and call for the murder of the joe blow the laborer go scot free in their eyes. Is that not unfair? Is that not bigotry?

It's sad that some people are so blinded by their emotions and beliefs they won't even aknowledge another living human beings honest opinion (or actual factual statements for that matter). I can admit the faults of bush and never hopped on the clintion bashing boat and have learned anyone who cannot admit they are wrong about things usually are. Clinton was not all that bad for the country, carter was a disaster on the other hand and it's hard to dispute that fact regardless of your affiliation.

Lastly, the grateful dead brought this on themselves endorsing a candidate... but it should be no surprise to anyone that a band born out of the anti war, communal living, free love movement would endorse the most liberal senator in congress for president. I think some are voting just to protest bush, which is sad. I wonder if olberman and all the others of his ilk will be so super critical of the big o for the next 4 years if he wins. It would be interesting to see what the hypocrites would do when a human makes mistakes as he is bound to due by the laws of nature... unless he repeals them.

Hopefully this will be over in 9 hours, but I doubt it. It has been the most stressful experience of my life, give me a funeral, a bad acid trip or my electric being cut off anyday over this anxiety...

I won't respond to any attacks or false statements or rhetoric going forward. Sorry if I disturbed the funkshway in here but I could not let people say things over and over that were opinion or fiction wihout saying anything, it must be a genetic thing because I never have let people bully or silence me... and that's a good thing. I don't like to resort to initiating attacks or insults either and from now on, I won't even stoop to that level... what I should have done the whole time is follow my own musical advice:

http://www.archive.org/details/dontfeedthetrolls

Now go out and vote for mckinney, she needs us to carry the flame of being against the most green form of energy known and that is stopping change no one will believe in.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 4, 2008 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

NC >>>>This is not an attempt at a flame war, but why would anyone vote based on race or gender?

I know things were not fair for certain people in the past but two wrongs don't make a right and voting based on race and gender is racist and sexist, don't ya think? If not, I can't wait to be a minority, it sounds like fun.

I am trying to stay out of the political rants and every time I try to reason with someone with an opposing opinion and even try to agree on common ground, they blast me with completely one sided tirades again and again. So I learned not to feed into it.

The only thing that concerns me about this election is a statistic I found the other day>>>

"Concern trolls" typically talk like this.


>>>>By a wide 26-point margin McCain outperforms Obama as having the right experience to be president. This fails to help McCain as less than one in five voters says this is their top priority.

Then what the hell is the point?>>>>

Yes, what IS the point?

We all know that reality has a liberal bias!

It's not so much liberal as common sense. I've never known biker Deadheads, who weren't a large percentage anyway, and it seems almost all the Deadheads I met you might call hippie in general, with a large group actually having been there.

Maybe it's just the Bay Area, but it makes perfect sense to me to group around someone like Obama that's can talk the talk while being fresh enough to have avoided heavy compromises. I'm glad he has associated with Rev Wright and Professor Khalidi, and I'm mature enough top know that he's heading a national coalition to bring this country back from the brink of fascism.

Obama would be the leader of many tribes who have to work together. So, paraphrasing Dylan, please get out of the way if you can't lend your hand - for the times they are a-changin'.

Hopefully.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-11-04 22:52:28

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2008 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Actually, SF, I hate to say it, but it was me that voiced that (voting all women), but I plead it was quoted out of context...I was just throwing out the notion that you could vote by bulk, if you were "anti voting," just to have a negative influence, if nothing else.

Certainly not the ideal situation, but trying to point out voting can still serve a purpose...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 4, 2008 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

I should welcome travellers into my perception of Grateful Dead-land. Got to be good looking because it's so hard to see the real trolls.

I'm not so sure myself; I'm just tired of stolen elections.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-11-05 02:25:20

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Keep beating dead horses with wet noodles in clown makeup

Stolen elections and fake moon landings...

You so silly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuM2oREjE6Y

Obama is half white so it doesn't count and we are still racist.

Sorry I read this one by accident and couldn't resist.



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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Keep beating dead horses with wet noodles in clown makeup

ok, TROLL you are.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 6, 2008 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Keep beating dead horses with wet noodles in clown makeup

Hungry are you...

http://www.archive.org/details/dontfeedthetrolls

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 8, 2008 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Keep beating dead horses with wet noodles in clown makeup

How could you not like I Know You Rider?

Maybe be the darkness is in my eyes, or I could be see flashing the reds & blues.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 4, 2008 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Nice post my friend - I wish more people were like you.

I was at the Floydfest music festival in southwestern VA earlier this year and was approached by young kid (probably early 20s) about signing a petition to put a third party on the Virginia ballot. I politely declined and the little fuck went ballistic on me - called me a sell out and asked if I was "corporate" and in someone's back pocket. WTF??? 15 minutes later he was being escorted from the festival grounds by the VA State Police.

All because I declined to sign his petition. Whatever happened to polite and respectful disagreement and debate?

I agree with you - I could care less who you vote for, as long as you vote for someone and have a somewhat objective reason for doing so - race, gender, age, because someone told me to, his wife dresses nice - all suck as reasons IMO.

I too don't particularly care for those in the entertainment industry who use their visibility as a forum to tell someone HOW to vote. Use your status to encourage someone TO vote. Chances are there is a spectrum of thoughts on various issues even within the crowd they are speaking to. You can tell me to suck eggs - just don't tell me how.

Be well my friend.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 4, 2008 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

"I was at the Floydfest music festival in southwestern VA earlier this year and was approached by young kid (probably early 20s) about signing a petition to put a third party on the Virginia ballot. I politely declined and the little fuck went ballistic on me."

I know what you mean! There is no reason to sign that petition, if you do not live in Virginia! Doing so might invalidate that whole page full of names. I don't get the idea of registering to vote at these rock concerts, which attract people from 50 states and beyond. Do it where you live and then vote. Not at a drug party.

These people with the clipboards, don't know who lives in which state. Convicted felons aren't permitted to vote in many states and that does include their drug offenese. I'll bet that more than one stoner registered to vote at a human be in; while these STUPID Republicans talk like ACORN has the monopoly voter registration irregularities...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2008 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Oh I hear you--that was to simply suggest that if you don't like ANYONE, voting for those without a chance (used to be women/minorities, probably not true now) was a possible means by which you throw a small (very small) stone at the established groups.

By all means, lets hope you can ALWAYS vote for someone you truly want, in which gender, creed, color, etc., never entered into it.

But, I have at times, voted for all women running for judges eg, when I had no idea who they were, BUT knew I disliked ALL the incumbent male judges.

That was all I was getting at.

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Poster: secret8476 Date: Nov 4, 2008 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Ya know, on one note, I agree with you. We don't like to see our enjoyment of this "community" permeated by political influence. However, the message, besides making a comment about having their own viewpoint on the candidates, was fairly straightfourth and outright - just go vote.

Unfortunately, when there were primaries held, these were the two guys that were the most popular. Not Ron Paul , not Mike Hukabee, not Rudy Guiliani. So, IF you voted in the primaries and your candidate did not make the ballot, by all means, feel free to sit this one out. Its what our process is all about. 15 million jaded Hillary supporters probably feel the same way. However, keep in mind, not voting does not absolve anyone from the future. One way or another, one of these two guys are gonna be president.
Personally, I would rather stake a claim in the race then sit on the fence and do nothing.
I think the only message here is don't be a spectator, get involved. Its a good message. Its a historic election. I wouldn't take offence to where the message came from.

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Poster: DeadATL Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

From an article I read:

This will be the first year since I was old enough to vote that I will not cast a ballot in a presidential election. I quote a character from Richard Linklater’s “Slacker” in my defense: “Withdrawing in disgust is not the same thing as apathy.”

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Poster: UncleJuan Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

"Withdrawal and non-participation are clever rationalizations of apathy. Reinventing apathy as the Slacker lifestyle may seem like a solution to society spinning out of control. But slacking becomes a sinkhole. Society may be spinning out of control, but at least out is a direction. Slacking means sedentary self-indulgence."-Ann Marie Caffrey

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

On another note, voting isn't just about the Presidential election. Hell, I voted Nader in the last 3, knowing full well he had no shot. But he was the guy I wanted, and I expressed myself with my civic right and duty and felt damn good about it.

But there are also local elections for governor, senate, Congress, local legislative races, hell....even dog catcher. So even if you don't think your vote will count in the big race, or you don't like the choices, there's bound to be an influence you can have more directly closer to home in your own state or community.

Seems that's as good a reason as any to get out and vote.

as for the Dead contacting you w/a not so subtle hint to vote Obama, I agree that's annoying as hell. And I'm voting Obama.

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Poster: UncleJuan Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

I just cast my 4th for Nader!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 4, 2008 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Good man. It'll take another 50 years, long after he's dead, but people will realize just how much he's given this country and how great he actually would have been as a President not beholden to every damn special interest parasite who crawls thru Washington.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 4, 2008 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

I don't like Nader as President, except in certain states, but he'd be great in the Cabinet. He'd really know which buttons to push in Justice, Commerce, EPA, Health, or others.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I hate toe jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYxkp62veWE

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2008 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Yep, that's what I was getting at above; always good (bad!) propositions to shoot down, incumbents to upset, and AENewmann to write in for pres.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2008 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

http://www.nobodyforpresident.org/

I actually wrote in "Bozo the Clown" for my local mayoral race b/c the incumbent is a moron and he ran unopposed until a last minute write in candidacy by another fool. I'm hoping to see lone (?) write in vote for Bozo published in the official results.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Nov 4, 2008 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

Wavy stole that idea from Betty Boop!

http://www.archive.org/details/Betty_Boop_for_President_1932

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2008 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

cool - nice link. and we might get an updated betty boop if not careful (once she gets off the line w/ President Sarkozy).

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 8, 2008 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Stop the politics...

the incumbant is a fool?? I'm starting to like your views...(uh oh)
Gavin pretty much lost the prop 8 bill with his big mouth.
But the peckerbrain is still a young budding liar..err..politician. Wonder who's wife he's screwing now..haha